Mintues-teleconf-20081114
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Minutes of the Future Internet (Services) teleconference of Friday 14th November
Recorded by Dave Lambert
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[edit] Attendees
- Mike Boniface
- Stefano De Panfilis
- John Domingue
- Alex Galis
- Anastasius Gavras
- Frederic Gittler
- Graham Hench
- John Kennedy
- Dave Lambert
- Man-Sze Li
- Lars Pederson
- Neeli Prasad
- Anne-Marie Sassen
- Nick Wainwright
XXX Claudia Guglielmina? For coin, txt. I'm inferring her presence since I didn't clearly here the name, and she's not on the members list.
[edit] Update on the Madrid sessions
[edit] Management and Governance
Responsible: Alex Galis
XXX John: because of Alex's connection, I don't think we covered this.
[edit] Identity and Trust
Responsible: Nick Wainwright and Zeta Dooly
Nick: Three areas of action, all of which are expected to be completed early next week:
- Updated position paper
- Looking for outreach/feedback with other areas (services, infrastructure, IoT) Particularly, cross-domain impact: issues,
consequences, scale and network effects.
- Getting use-cases involving trust people and "users" from other
groups, to inform session on identity. Looking for one use-case each from services, and Internet of Things.
The session at FIA will be split in two: trust to be covered in the morning, looking at foundational issues, and based on position paper. Identity will be covered in the afternoon.
John asked if projects were supplying information. Nick said not much, and that he remained hopeful but worried. Nick will phone individuals next week if there's insufficient feedback from projects.
[edit] Future Internet Service Offer
Responsible: John Domingue and Stefano de Panfilis
John: been trying to get feedback on FIA FI services offer. Not much feedback. SOA4ALL, ServiceWeb, and COIN giving best feedback, with some more from Juanjo at Telefonica. There's a real problem explaining the purpose of FIA to projects.
[edit] Discussion segued into FIA networking session 585
John says we need to connect more to projects. Encourage projects at the session who are not already aware of FI to contribute feedback. Nick said he would "think about it" for the sessions.
Claudia talked about COIN's input: Zeta said they had received it.
Stefano wondered about the concerns of users. Zeta: stakeholders are governments, health care providers, businesses. Nick adds "individual users too", which was Stefano's intent with the question. We need to know what individual people want in terms of privacy, security, not just what the companies/governemnts want.
Stefano: Yes, it's important that security be rethought as a foundational concept modelled on what users want to do with their information, not an add-on.
[edit] SocioEconomics
Responsible: Mike Boniface
Mike: The position paper is ready. Received contributinos from OPUS, COIN. Mentioned importance of the economic benefits threats of customisation. Covered economic aspects, social needs, business regualtion. It's important to make sure the non-technical and technical aspects meet up.
It's important that participants think ahead if they want to feed in, because of the long pipeline to get things coherent. It's now too late for Madrid, but they should start thinking about Prague next year.
The Lyon network session on socio-economic issues is in parallel with FI services offer. Mike will try to get the services viewpoint across in that session.
Man-Sze Li asked about the paper for Madrid. Mike has sent email to David about this paper.
ACTION: Mike will let the group know the outcome of that.
[edit] Update on use of FIRE Experimental Facilities
Responsible: Anastasius Gavras
Anastasias: received no contributions for use-case from software/services, but has got contributions from other facets. There's a relevant workshop in early December in which to elicit input, but probably too late to get ready for Madrid.
John: Many projects feel they need a piece of running code to contribute, rather than just a looser spec of where they are going and what they need. Anne-Marie: can't you use the projects' own use-cases? Anastasias: Yes, that would be fine. They should have such things already, but they haven't sent them. Would like to build a storyboard composite of use-cases.
Alex said there is an issue with sharing (something---Alex had a very bad phone connection) between projects.
Anastasias: didn't hear much of what alex said. Mentioned a repository of things where people can look stuff up. (XXX Dave to John: we should get a url for this.)
ACTION: John to supply SOA4ALL use cases for FIRE
Anne-Marie asks about SLA@SOI. John Kennedy says there are about 6 use cases in SLA@SOI, and Offered to send email if interested parties get in touch.
Stefano: in NEXOF-RA there are use-cases, but he worries they are not detailed enough. Anastasias: we should be liberal in taking material: give us what you have.
[edit] Future Internet Services Offer
Responsible: John Domingue and Stefano de Panfilis
John: Anne-Marie sent email an hour ago regarding structure for session. There will be 4 panels, each structured aournd "services and X" for X which is an external aspect from:
- Internet of Things
Responsible: Neeli Prasad
Neeli: Getting fed up with chasing people over joining. Zeta offered help.
- user generated services/content
Responsible: Juanjo Hierro, Andrew Oliphant from BBC..
ACTION: Nick and Zeta to help here.
- network based infrastucture
Responsible: Someone from IRMOS, and someone from networking
Alex (almost unintelligable over phone) suggests it be merged with the other panel with which it overlaps. It is supposed to be a panel on cloud computing.
ACTION: John to talk to Alex Galis about the people responsible, and synchronisation between related panels.
- global service delivery platform
Responsible: NEXOF-RA and SOA4ALL (John to represent SOA4ALL)
Will also have a telecom perspective. This panel is the most service specific.
General agreement that everyone is broadly happy with proposed structure.
John suggests Claudia or Serge for service platform.
ACTION: Nick, Nelly, Zeta proposed to find people.
John reminds us that Anastasias mentioned elsewhere we should address experimental facilities, and we should do that in every panel.
ACTION: John will prepare paper, structured around panels, from the FI services offer viewpoint. He will contact people from here for contributions.
An outcome of the panels should a list of desired functionalities from panel experience. This would lead to a call in which projects say how they can contribute to those functionalities.
Anne-Marie suggests we ask for position statements from projects, and then publish or merge or those, and that would lead to proposals to EU calls.
ACTION: John and Anne-Marie to caretake panel participants.
[edit] ICT Event in Lyon
Stefano asks if John is going to Lyon, to which the answer is yes.
Man-Sze and John have networking session there, and the aim is to use it to support Madrid. stefano, Alex, Mike, and Nick are panel members and are heading the areas for Madrid. John will talk about FIA and the future internet of services, then panel members will give their presentations.
ACTION: John and Stefano to talk offline about this.
Other sessions are on socio-economic issues (Mike), and semantics on the future internet.
Man-Sze advised that thousnds of people attend, so good opportunity to get broader views. Stefano agreed that it was a chance to reach people we don't already know, or don't often meet. Madrid will be more concrete.
Man-Sze wondered if it would be a good idea to have presentation material ready in advance to offer attendees.
ACTION: John says panel participants in 585 should send material beforehand to John and Man-Sze.
[edit] Other business
[edit] Prague scientific publication
John asked who has submitted something to the Prague technical publication, subtly making a last minute plea for people to send papers.
It emerges that SOA4ALL has sent one. stefano says NEXOF probably sent something, and others add that COIN and SLA@SOI also sent contributions. John was happy that lots of things were sent.
John notes there was some confusion as to how to submit. Anne-Marie says submission information for this is on the future-internet.eu website, via "Prague something", but offers to handle submssion if people can't find it.
[edit] Next teleconference
John feels we don't need one. Anne-Marie says probably have one just beforehand (safeguard, check paper etc). And so it was agreed that the next telconference will occur Monday 1st December, at 1400 GMT.
